Strain-Based Training Load
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Dylan Mace
Hi,
After digging deeper into how Apple handles training load calculations for watchOS 11, I had an interesting idea for the Bevel team. Apologies for the following, as it it is a bit long winded.
We know from watchOS 11 that Apple’s attempt at training load is approximately equal to their “effort” score multiplied by duration. Currently, Bevel has a “cardio load” which is TSB based (if I am not mistaken). However, one of the biggest complaints is that there is no good way to track holistic load over time since many activity types are not high HR and so TRIMP exercises do not impact cardio load properly. Insert my proposal:
Since we have a strain score for both cardio and muscular (strength trainer) workouts, what if Bevel collected those and did its own holistic training load calculations? This would essentially have each day’s acute training load be the (exponential) moving average of the previous 7 days workouts strain scores, and the long-term training load be the 28 day (exponential) moving average of completed workout strain scores. To make this more helpful, you could even allow users to view training load by sport type (running, walking, gym, …).
To get even deeper here, this new training load could be tied directly into the HRV state metric and/or the journal, showing how your training across various sports/overall is impacting HRV, sleep, and recovery.
You could keep the current TSB-based cardio load, renaming it to TRIMP load or something like that, and include this new training load as a more holistic understanding for users. The graph structure for the current cardio load would work perfectly for this new training load as well, with a chip selector for sport type to show just that sport.
Because strain is calculated automatically, the user never has to manually log anything in-app and every user, high-HR runner or not, can track their training load over time.
Patrick
To add to this: whem swimming with a wrist based wearable, the HR data is often missing; the strain shows at 0. The AI is able to calcultate an equivalent strain and active calories, but has no way to feed that back into the dashboard data. So the idea is: for activities with missing HR data, calculate strain from (e.g. Apple) RPE.
Leah
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make it more suitable for professional athletes
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Tommaso Chiadó Viret
I swim professionally and I also train two or three times a day. The app, however, already after just one workout advises me to stay at home to rest and when calculating the effort it often reports excessive loads with a possible risk of injury. It would be useful to make these parameters more professional and also suitable for athletes who sustain high training volumes. For the rest, the app is beautiful, very convenient and done really very well.
I'm a professional swimmer and I train two or even three times a day. However, after just one workout, the app already suggests that I should stay home and rest, and in the effort calculation it often flags an excessive load with a possible risk of injury. It would be helpful if these parameters were made more professional and better suited to athletes who train at a very high volume. Aside from that, the app is beautiful, very convenient, and really well made.
Leah
Hi Tommaso Chiadó Viret Bevel uses your data to build a personalized baseline, and that takes ~2-6 weeks. This calibration period ensures your insights become accurate, personalized, and meaningful over time. Have you been using the app for more than 6 weeks?
Zach Baker
I was about to make a new request but this ticket seems to address exactly what I would be looking for. Specifically strength trainings are not high heart rate activities but have a high strain on the body. Based on the data provided during workout and from an app like Hevy can we get a way to get bevel to get us a training load calculation
Quinn Comendant
Would it make sense to use this holistic training load as input to set Apple's new fitness effort score?
Currently, I'm rating workout effort in both Bevel and Apple Fitness. It'd be nice to have to set it in only one app.
Grey
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Grey
Thanks for the suggestion Dylan Mace! This is a good idea and something we've been thinking about.
We will add this to the roadmap, and work on it when we get to redesigning the Activities view (which is coming next).
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Dylan Mace
I am happy to whip up some form of prototype/diagram of this if anyone has an interest or my explanation is unclear.