Target Strain 2.0
planned (tbd)
Leah
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Include body batter in target strain calc
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Robert Hughes
Take body battery value into account and adjust the target strain throughout the day
Leah
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Exposure target and carfio load
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Klaus Rottenwöhrer
Hi,
I got into severe overtraining because I had only focused on the daily exercise target and did not have an eye on the cardio load value. It wasn't until I was already heavily overtraining that the message came. Even today, the load target is at normal levels despite the overtraining status.
The two therefore do not currently fit together.
I would think it would be very good if the daily exercise target and the current cardio load would go together.
Best regards
Leah
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Strain target adjustment based on cardio load and other metrics
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Anouk Hokke
From Bevel AI: That’s a great suggestion. It makes total sense for the strain target to act more like a "ceiling" when you're already at the top of your optimal cardio load, especially when your HRV shows you're still recovering from the flu.
Context:
Bevel AI is advising me to stay below my target strain for today because of my cardio load (it would probably spike to overtraining if I hit my target strain), HRV and other context. But the strain target isn’t adjusted accordingly. So now I’m not hitting my strain goal as mentioned, or if I wouldn’t have checked I would have aimed to hit it but that wouldn’t have been productive at all.
Amanda
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Strain score labels
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Greg Lewis
Would be good if the strain score marker would show the high and low percentage in the hatched area.
Randell
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Strain goal
Ronny
I’m uncertain what the goal area of the strain means. In other apps I can specify if I want to maintain my fitness or push. I would like to have a better understanding of what happens if I stay in the area with bevel.
Ideally I can define that I want to achieve (keep my current fitness, improve,…) and bevel adapts my strain goal accordingly
Randell
Hi Ronny, This is on one of our Planned tickets. Let me merge this for you! Thanks for the suggestion!
Grey
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planned (tbd)
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Jonathan
Target strain is right now mostly based on recovery (and previous attained strain in relation to recovery, right)? Bevel also includes TSB exertion, but right now does not do anything with it. I know that TSB and the recovery score should in theory converge, yet they often don't quite, at least for me. At the same time, when I'm having a good run and feel good, Bevel will often push me to extremely high strains, even though TSB would advise to slow down. And I personally feel like Bevel sometimes wants to push me to intensely, where I would actually need a rest day.
So I wonder if you it maybe would be good to just display the target strain in its current form and what the TSB model would recommend side by side, so that it is possible to choose which guidance feels right each day? Not sure if this is a good solution either, but in essence I would like the TSB model to be more prominent.
Also, why using TSB when Banister is experimentally better validated or Busso which accounts for training monotony?
I btw agree with your reasoning that exertion should be unlimited... but I do think it is confusing to speak of percent in that case. So maybe just a score? Or change to an exponential asymptotic function instead of what it is now (a log?).
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Raven
I also think one problem with Strain is it is doing two things. It's a target but each activity also includes a score.
Here's a screenshot of two parts of Superset right after I finished morning workouts a few days ago. I reached 58% and my target was 60%-70% (I think based on the hash area). Now one might think the four activities add up to that 58%, but they don't directly: 10+8+7+27+12 = 64
The way I've been interpreted this is there's what I'll call "Strain Score Points (SSP)" which is different from my "Strain Percentage". In this case, it took 64 SSP to get to 58% (I started my activities shortly after coffee and don't think I had registered any strain prior).
The way things are now, I can make some sense of my workouts -- the rowing contributed more than Kickboxing, for example, and I was just outside the target (but as the day went on, ambient activity got me into range).
However, I have no idea what "100% strain" means. I also know the unlike Sleep and Recovery, where I did fine but could have done better -- 100% on these two is the goal, right? But 100% is almost never the goal for Strain.
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Grey
Raven: Hmm that's a good point. Let me put some more thoughts into this and figure out what's the best UX to communicate this
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Raven
Grey: My guess right now is “100% strain” is the amount I would be recommended
if
I had 100% recovery and 100% sleep? In other words, if I’m in perfect condition then I’d try to go for 100% strain, and I could go beyond, but that wouldn’t be effective.If that’s right or even close, then it sort of makes sense, except (for me) that’s a rare condition to happen.
So I think one of these makes more sense:
1) “100% strain” switches to mean maximum safe strain recommended for day. This should perhaps be accompanied by a “target SSP” using my nomenclature above (which I don’t love, just wanted an easy way to describe the number given to an activity, s o come up with better name, haha)
2) Just remove the percentage sign and use a target SSP number. You’d then have two values that use percentage: Recovery and Sleep, and two values that use a straight number: Strain and Stress. Stress is always a 0-100 scale while Strain is a 0-unlimited value.
With (2), you could have a 2x2 grid at the top instead of separating Stress?
Hope some of this scattered thoughts is useful. All the best.
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Markus Eisen
Also the coaching texts should include those factors
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